The FAQ for Betrayal came out recently from Forge World. I'm very happy it did as well! I wrote to Forge World a while ago asking them one of the very questions that was covered in the FAQ -- that of the allies chart being non-symmetric (page 185).
I first noticed this when I sat down with the chart and found it a bit tough to read (the symbols are all skulls, of course!, and the colours - which are the only point of differentiation in the chart - seem a bit similar to my eyes). So I decided to try to make my own chart in excel and colour code them something different. I never completed it because I saw many asymmetries. Here's the list:
Dark Angels and Death Guard are listed as both Fellow Warriors and Distrusted Allies;
Iron Warriors and Ultramarines are listed as both Fellow Warriors and Distrusted Allies;
Iron Warriors and Sons of Horus are listed as both Fellow Warriors and Distrusted Allies;
White Scars and Death Guard are listed as both Fellow Warriors and Distrusted Allies;
White Scars and Sons of Horus are listed as both Sworn Brothers and Distrusted Allies;
Night Lords and Death Guard are listed as both Sworn Brothers and Fellow Warriors;
Blood Angels and World Eaters are listed as both Fellow Warriors and Distrusted Allies;
Blood Angels and Death Guard are listed as both Fellow Warriors and Distrusted Allies;
Blood Angels and Sons of Horus are listed as both Sworn Brothers and Fellow Warriors;
Iron Hands and Sons of Horus are listed as both Fellow Warriors and Distrusted Allies;
Alpha Legion and Imperial Army are listed as both Sworn Brothers and Fellow Warriors.
I first noticed this when I sat down with the chart and found it a bit tough to read (the symbols are all skulls, of course!, and the colours - which are the only point of differentiation in the chart - seem a bit similar to my eyes). So I decided to try to make my own chart in excel and colour code them something different. I never completed it because I saw many asymmetries. Here's the list:
Dark Angels and Death Guard are listed as both Fellow Warriors and Distrusted Allies;
Iron Warriors and Ultramarines are listed as both Fellow Warriors and Distrusted Allies;
Iron Warriors and Sons of Horus are listed as both Fellow Warriors and Distrusted Allies;
White Scars and Death Guard are listed as both Fellow Warriors and Distrusted Allies;
White Scars and Sons of Horus are listed as both Sworn Brothers and Distrusted Allies;
Night Lords and Death Guard are listed as both Sworn Brothers and Fellow Warriors;
Blood Angels and World Eaters are listed as both Fellow Warriors and Distrusted Allies;
Blood Angels and Death Guard are listed as both Fellow Warriors and Distrusted Allies;
Blood Angels and Sons of Horus are listed as both Sworn Brothers and Fellow Warriors;
Iron Hands and Sons of Horus are listed as both Fellow Warriors and Distrusted Allies;
Alpha Legion and Imperial Army are listed as both Sworn Brothers and Fellow Warriors.
The explanation for this is natural: the armies / factions have different views of each other. Of course! Why didn't I see this?
Anyhow, there are also other parts to the FAQ that I found interesting, chief amongst them are the designers notes that explicitly state that they are balanced with respect to 40k codexes. Well, the exact words are "a fair fight", but they do note that certain units in 30k are more expensive than their 40k cousins: especially those with the stubborn rule. But there's also a few things cheaper I guess, and a few things that simply don't exist in 40k! That said, they do make it clear that the Lords of War (including Primarchs) should not be used in regular games!
So, has anyone actually used a 30k army against a 40k army out there?
Anyhow, there are also other parts to the FAQ that I found interesting, chief amongst them are the designers notes that explicitly state that they are balanced with respect to 40k codexes. Well, the exact words are "a fair fight", but they do note that certain units in 30k are more expensive than their 40k cousins: especially those with the stubborn rule. But there's also a few things cheaper I guess, and a few things that simply don't exist in 40k! That said, they do make it clear that the Lords of War (including Primarchs) should not be used in regular games!
So, has anyone actually used a 30k army against a 40k army out there?
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